Governor endorses year-round schooling
Niday: Any change requires major improvement projectBy MICHAEL ERB
PARKERSBURG - Gov. Joe Manchin wants West Virginia school districts to look at the concept of year-round schools, but a local official said it would take significant funding and community support to implement in Wood County.
Manchin visited the year-round Piedmont Elementary in Charleston last week. He says that system shows great results.
He says if year-round education better prepares children for the work force, it's something West Virginia should consider.
Superintendent Bill Niday said while he believes year-round school could have academic benefits, certain other factors must be overcome first.
"It would take a significant capital improvement project in several of our buildings to have year-round school," Niday said. "There is no question you would need facilities that are air conditioned and conductive to school in the summer."
Many of Wood County's public schools have little to no air conditioning capabilities. Some older buildings use window units, but many do not have sufficient electrical systems to support widespread use.
Other buildings have minimal air conditioning, and Niday said several schools, including most of the district's middle schools, would require significant improvements to operate during the summer months.
Year-round school also would represent a major shift in scheduling both for educators and for families.
"You're not adding a lot of days, you're really just changing when you are off," Niday said. "It certainly would have to be something the community would support."
Year-round schools typically give students four three-week breaks a year. The time off is equivalent to a summer vacation.
Advocates say the shorter breaks keep kids interested and improve behavior. They say it also gives families more options for vacation and cuts down on absences.
"From an education point of view, you are not doing a lot of re-teaching of subjects, and that makes a lot of sense," Niday said. "I can see where it could be a benefit."
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Lookin4truth
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07-25-08 5:49 PM
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Well Parrothead....seems I hit a nerve with you, so if your not a teacher, you've got to be related to one somewhere. You spout all the teacher union garbage to the letter! As for the studies you so arrogantly assumed I didn't have....try "Does Money Matter" from the Brookings Institution. Also you might want to read Berliner and Biddle 1995, Hanushek and Rivkin 1997, National Commission on the High School Senior Year 2001, The Rise of Teachers’ Unions by Peltzman 1993. These reports focused on two explanations that have shown how the balance of political power has shifted in schools over the past four decades: the centralization of funding and the rise of teachers’ unions.
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WVCommissioner
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07-24-08 5:47 AM
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If we are a tourism state, you need a labor pool available from Memorial day weekend to Labor day weekend. High School kids make up many on that work force as well as many a teacher who works the summer in a tourism related field, summer is a "different" time of year. Year round schooling puts pressure on the tourism side of WV's economy. Soooooo, I would wonder if Elementary shouldn't be year round? They need it due to academics. What about Voluntary Year Round Schooling. You want your children to go in the summer? I have two elementary aged kids, and the number of little league games, swim meets, and other sports are great, but if there was some 3 week program at our elementary in July (So we would have less back sliding) and make it voluntary, Summer School, I would be 100% behind it.
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WVCommissioner
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07-24-08 5:47 AM
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If we are a tourism state, you need a labor pool available from Memorial day weekend to Labor day weekend. High School kids make up many on that work force as well as many a teacher who works the summer in a tourism related field, summer is a "different" time of year. Year round schooling puts pressure on the tourism side of WV's economy. Soooooo, I would wonder if Elementary shouldn't be year round? They need it due to academics. What about Voluntary Year Round Schooling. You want your children to go in the summer? I have two elementary aged kids, and the number of little league games, swim meets, and other sports are great, but if there was some 3 week program at our elementary in July (So we would have less back sliding) and make it voluntary, Summer School, I would be 100% behind it.
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Parrothead
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07-23-08 10:11 AM
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#5 – Teachers are doing the job they are paid to do and I bet you wouldn’t do it for the little pay they receive. The job they are entrusted to do is one of vital importance yet we are not willing to compensate then accordingly. Why should a mailman make more money and have better benefits than a teacher? (That is not a slam towards mailmen.) #6 – Back in the good ole days of the 30’s – 60’s that you reminisce about, children did not spend their free time watching TV or playing video games. They would spend the evenings at home with their parents reading, talking and working on homework together. The biggest change that has happened over the years to affect the education of our children has been the withdrawal of the parents from the process. Even you will have to admit that 50 years ago parents played a much larger and active role in their child’s education. And I do not count taking them to soccer practice and going to watch them play as taking an active role in their EDUCATION.
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Parrothead
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07-23-08 10:11 AM
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Lookin4truth – to start off I am NOT a teacher! So let’s mark that as exhibit #1 that shows you spout off yet are completely wrong and inaccurate in your statements and opinions. #2 – “teachers today only teach about half as much as teachers taught 40 years ago”. Can you please cite your source for this statement? NO you can not because it is BS that is only YOUR opinion. #3 – “The kids then were better educated and better prepared.” Yes you are right. That is why we used to teach the 3 ‘R’s” when only 1 of the 3 words started with the letter R. That’s educated for ya! #4 – “in the 1930's through the 60's” …. “teachers then found the time to teach Math, … Science, History”. The world experienced more “history” and “scientific” advances in the nearly 50 years since the 60’s than it had in the 200 years prior to it. This is one more reason why year round instruction is needed.
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Lookin4truth
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07-23-08 9:36 AM
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Exactly concernedcitizen!!! And year around schooling would only add to the existing problem.
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concernedcitizen
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07-23-08 12:05 AM
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From what I have seen as a parent of three Wood County School age children, the teachers need additional training. The children aren't failing, the system is failing the children. Children should go to school for an education, not job skills.
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Lookin4truth
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07-22-08 11:40 PM
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"c-o-m-p-a-r-i-n-g" is an edited word?
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Lookin4truth
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07-22-08 11:38 PM
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Parrothead...****paring Xbox, PS2 or Wii programs to burn out experienced by students is comparing apples and oranges. One has nothing to do with the other. Get real! You MUST be a teacher....they are ALWAYS the first to blame parents for their failure. The fact is....teachers today only teach about half as much as teachers tought 40 years ago. The kids then were better educated and better prepared. An 8th grader in the 1930's through the 60's learned math that is only tought in the 11th and 12th today. Why is that? Why is it that teachers then found the time to teach Math (to include algebra, trig, and calculus), Science, History (to include World and American), English & Literature, Music, Art and Geography to each grade? Ever seen the test students HAD to pass to move on to the 10th grade? I dare say the majority of 12th graders couldn't pass it today. Why is that? Poor teachers...BULL!!! They should try doing the job they are paid to do!!!
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wvatheart
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07-22-08 11:20 PM
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I am originally from the Mid-Ohio Valley, but now live outside of Charlotte. I teach in a school district that has year-round schools. I teach in an elementary school that is on a traditional schedule (much like Wood County's). However, I have several friends work in schools that are on the year-round schedule. Most of them love it. Of course there are academic benefits as mentioned in the article, but they also love having the time off during the year. Families take advantage of off-season rates for vacations. Schools can remediate/enrich during this time, instead of waiting until the student has failed the end of grade exams and must go to summer school. There are a few middle schools that are also on year-round schedules. However, there are not any high schools that are on the schedule. The main reason for this is sports--namely high school football (there might be other reasons too). So it's possible for a family to have students on both schedules.
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Parrothead
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07-22-08 10:29 PM
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Lookin4truth – I hope you are continuing to look! Burn out is an excuse, These same kids that are claiming burn out do NOT seem to get “BURNED OUT” on playing the Xbox, PS2 or Wii programs 24/7 365. So what gives? How many adults do you see becoming “burned out” & dropping out of the workforce? These drop-outs are the older students that should have been prepared to enter a 40 hour a week workforce long before they reach the age that they are dropping out! Also STOP blaming the teachers & the unions. It is the parents that have no interaction or part in their child’s lives that need to shoulder the blame for the condition of our schools today. They set them in front of some form of electronic babysitting & then wonder why JR. has no social skills, no work ethics & no problem solving skills. Then when the school employees try to discipline & teach them it’s these same parents that now want to take a role & stand in defense of their little darlings.
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Lookin4truth
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07-22-08 7:01 PM
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change.
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Lookin4truth
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07-22-08 6:59 PM
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zippy6, Parrothead, MatthewBB, tubaman, and Reno456 should all do a little homework themselves. Yes, Japan does year around schooling....and their biggest problem is burn out. Their kids are getting burned out by the tens of thousands. Their drop out rate has sky rocketed. Year around school looks good on paper, but in practical application it simple doesn't for the biggest majority. As for this "retention" thing. Do you think these kids are mentally defective? I mean you must, because you seem to think they can't remember anything. And if what you say about "having to re-teach lessons" is true....then the teachers didn't do their job in the first place, or they wouldn't have forgotten so easily, now would they? 30 or 40 years ago we were (as a nation) on top in education. We didn't have year around schools, we could read, write, and were prepared for secondary education. Whats changed? Teacher's Unions is what. Get them off their lazy a s s e s and you'll see a
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Parrothead
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07-22-08 6:29 PM
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Our present school calendar was set up to allow children to be home to WORK ON THE FAMILY FARM during the planting and harvesting season – it’s time has passed. Kids are much more resilient than most adults and they would adjust and make the new schedule work for them. Vacations, trips, camps would just be rescheduled to fit the schools. What’s the big deal? I do not think that it is the governments or the school systems responsibility to put a schedule in place to allow children to visit their other parents for 7 weeks at a time. It was these parents whose choices and actions made these trips a necessity and thus it is their responsibility to work out visitation and to pay for the travel. It is true that you are only a kid once, but those years are to prepare you to be an adult for the rest of your life. Quit coddling the kids and expect something out of them!
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Reno456
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07-22-08 3:10 PM
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I am for the year-round school. I am from the Parkersburg area but now currently live in Reno, NV where due to super growth in the area, many elementary schools are year-round and have 4 different tracks to follow so one group of kids is always off school while 3 groups are always on. The schools are literally open 12 months. My son greatly benefits from this. He starts getting bored after 4 weeks so back to school he goes. He is able to retain what he learned previously and I can see such a difference than when I went to school. The teachers do not have to re-teach. After a breaking in period, the teachers are all for this too. The teachers go the same time their students do and get the same times off. We use more teachers but the schools hold many more kids this way. We get to take vacations outside the "norm" when rates are cheaper and it's not so crowded. The community recreation dept has also joined in and offers day camps for kids that are "off-track.
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Kimberly70
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07-22-08 1:55 PM
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When my kids first started school we lived in Florida and at that time there school system was year round. That only lasted for 4 years when they realized that it wasn't the best of ideas, not only for the parents who are divorced but for the teachers as well. I have read a few of the comments left on this and what makes you think that sending the kids to school year round will change there grades or interest in a certian subject. I know I wouldn't want to sit in a class room in this hot weather....would you??
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tubaman
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07-22-08 1:23 PM
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Almost forgot - not to worry - the WV teacher's union (think Jimmy Hoffa and his gang of goons) will never allow this to happen. Heck - you can't even get them to allow school to run past June 5th (a ridiculous policy if I ever heard one). Due to this policy, kids in WV receive less education than students in other states.
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tubaman
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07-22-08 1:21 PM
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You people need to get your kids off their lazy rear ends and get them to year-round school. God knows, these kids aren't getting what they need out of the current schedule. They can't spell, can't write, and know nothing of recent (i.e. 1950 - present) history. And why does everyone seem intent on mentioning Bible School? Isn't that what church and Sunday school is for? How much of this bible stuff does any kid need? You certainly don't need to be sending kids off to "camp" to learn about the bible. Summer vacation? Why? They're not going to get a "summer vacation" once they enter the working world? Why humor them now, by thinking that they get a "break"? As far as "be themselves", how in the heck is loitering around the mall being themselves? Admit it - all you people who cry about kids having their free time just drive them to the mall, dump them there, and pick them up 8 hours later.
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netdadx10
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07-22-08 12:53 PM
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Sure, it sounds great but what about kids like mine who go to the other parents house for the summer for 7 weeks for visitation? Wouldn't those kids and the parents who rarely get to see the children be getting ripped off? I think so. Those 3 week breaks would be nice, but when a child has to commute from West Virginia to South Carolina for visitation, the costs are just one of the factors that scream out to me that this is a bad idea. Let alone the damage done to a kid who has no time at all to adjust to his surroundings. Just bounced all over till his grades drop off from frustration. Just my thoughts on this.
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MatthewBB
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07-22-08 12:06 PM
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Shoot, if I were a kid, I think I'd be all for it. Three weeks is one heck of a vacation. and to get it 4 times a year? It would always give me something to look forward to. As much as I looked forward to the start of summer vacation, when August started and the back to school sales began, I would quickly begin dreading going back. And then the first day of school?!? Ugh!!!! 9 more months until vacation :(
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beckie
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07-22-08 11:32 AM
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The benefit is to all people and business through out the community, all school year from sept to may, families can not go on a holiday break because of school. take for instance christmas break, they are out the week of christmas, they went last year on christmas eve almost , and parents are too busy that week to take a break and leave town and go to grandmas or aunt sally, they have to go back to school, then almost always the kids don't go to school after christmas because of snow, and easter breaks are a joke anymore, one county has it one week then next week another county has it and I know a lady that teaches in one county her children go to another county school and they are on break at different times. Plus now days kids get bored after about 3 weeks off, just like adults do, sometimes don't you just like to go back to work. yes you really do. I think most of all the kids would do so much better in school all year and have the 3 wk off every 3 months, I support it
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zippy6
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07-22-08 10:45 AM
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Year round schooling works because teachers don't have to spend the months of August and September re-teaching everything the students forgot over the summer. Look at the educational systems in countries that perform consistently better than the US (Japan, for example) and you'll find that they go to school year round. Besides, the long summer break is just a left-over from a century ago when kids needed to help out on the farm! Let's get with the 21st century, shall we???
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gics31
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07-22-08 10:26 AM
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Yar round school is a great idea. Kids still get 12 weeks off a year to do Bible school and camps. The 12 weeks is just not consecutive. I think the comment regarding communisitc b.s. is a fine example of why the long breaks are not good..apparently you become clueless
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Mudwife
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07-22-08 10:17 AM
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I see no reason for year round schooling. What about the various camps(4-h, boyscout, church, etc)and summer activities, such as Bible School? This is just one more of Big Joe's ridiculous ideas! I agree with worriedsick. Let the kids be kids. They grow up too soon.
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worriedsick
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07-22-08 9:53 AM
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You are only a child once.... you deserve a summer vacation. Equal time isn't what matters.... summers are part of childhood. Never seemed to have hurt any of us. Kids need that break to enjoy their childhood.
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